[VJ] James Taylor and John Lennon help bring on WWIII?!?

edited September 2001 in General Discussion

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  • edited December 1969
    In what can be described as "an attempt to help" - Clear Channel, owner of over 1,170 radio stations in the U.S. has a list of currently banned songs on their stations. Included are songs about war, the word "Tuesday", and even "Walk Like an Egyptian"

    Yeah banning John Lennon's song "Imagine" about Peace in the world makes a lot of sense. NOT!
    I'll be boycotting any Clear Channel owned station myself

    The list:

    Drowning Pool "Bodies"
    Mudvayne "Death Blooms"
    Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive"
    Megadeth "Sweating Bullets"
    Saliva "Click Click Boom"
    P.O.D. "Boom"
    Metallica "Seek and Destroy"
    Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow"
    Metallica "Enter Sandman"
    Metallica "Fade to Black"
    All Rage Against The Machine songs
    Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"
    Godsmack "Bad Religion"
    Tool "Intolerance"
    Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World"
    AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames"
    AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill"
    AC/DC "Dirty Deeds"
    AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
    AC/DC "Safe in New York City"
    AC/DC "TNT"
    AC/DC "Hell's Bells"
    Black Sabbath "War Pigs"
    Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
    Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution"
    Dio "Holy Diver"
    Steve Miller "Jet Airliner"
    Van Halen "Jump"
    Queen "Another One Bites the Dust"
    Queen "Killer Queen"
    Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot"
    Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield"
    Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party"
    REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It"
    Talking Heads "Burning Down the House"
    Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"
    Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell"
    Pink Floyd "Mother"
    Savage Garden "Crash and Burn"
    Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"
    Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
    Pretenders "My City Was Gone"
    Alanis Morissette "Ironic"
    Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time"
    Fuel "Bad Day"
    John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire"
    Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
    Kansas "Dust in the Wind"
    Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven"
    The Beatles "A Day in the Life"
    The Beatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
    The Beatles "Ticket To Ride"
    The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da"
    Bob Dylan/Guns N Roses "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
    Arthur Brown "Fire"
    Blue Oyster Cult "Burnin' For You"
    Paul McCartney and Wings "Live and Let Die"
    Jimmy Hendrix "Hey Joe"
    Jackson Brown "Doctor My Eyes"
    John Mellencamp "Crumbling Down"
    John Mellencamp "I'm On Fire"
    U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday"
    Boston "Smokin"
    Billy Joel "Only the Good Die Young"
    Barry McGuire "Eve of Destruction"
    Steam "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey"
    Drifters "On Broadway"
    Shelly Fabares "Johnny Angel"
    Los Bravos "Black is Black"
    Peter and Gordon "I Go To Pieces"
    Peter and Gordon "A World Without Love"
    Elvis "(You're the) Devil in Disguise"
    Zombies "She's Not There"
    Elton John "Benny & The Jets"
    Elton John "Daniel"
    Elton John "Rocket Man"
    Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire"
    Santana "Evil Ways"
    Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World"
    Youngbloods "Get Together"
    Ad Libs "The Boy from New York City"
    Peter Paul and Mary "Blowin' in the Wind"
    Peter Paul and Mary "Leavin' on a Jet Plane"
    Rolling Stones "Ruby Tuesday"
    Simon And Garfunkel "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
    Happenings "See You in Septemeber"
    Carole King "I Feel the Earth Move"
    Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525"
    Norman Greenbaum "Spirit in the Sky"
    Brooklyn Bridge "Worst That Could Happen"
    Three Degrees "When Will I See You Again"
    Cat Stevens "Peace Train"
    Cat Stevens "Morning Has Broken"
    Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve"
    Martha & the Vandellas "Nowhere to Run"
    Martha and the Vandellas/Van Halen "Dancing in the Streets"
    Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"
    San Cooke Herman Hermits, "Wonder World"
    Petula Clark "A Sign of the Times"
    Don McLean "American Pie"
    J. Frank Wilson "Last Kiss"
    Buddy Holly and the Crickets "That'll Be the Day"
    John Lennon "Imagine"
    Bobby Darin "Mack the Knife"
    The Clash "Rock the Casbah"
    Surfaris "Wipeout"
    Blood Sweat and Tears "And When I Die"
    Dave Clark Five "Bits and Pieces"
    Tramps "Disco Inferno"
    Paper Lace "The Night Chicago Died"
    Frank Sinatra "New York, New York"
    Creedence Clearwater Revival "Travelin' Band"
    The Gap Band "You Dropped a Bomb On Me"
    Alien Ant Farm "Smooth Criminal"
    3 Doors Down "Duck and Run"
    The Doors "The End"
    Third Eye Blind "Jumper"
    Neil Diamond "America"
    Lenny Kravitz "Fly Away"
    Tom Petty "Free Fallin'"
    Bruce Springsteen "I'm On Fire"
    Bruce Springsteen "Goin' Down"
    Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight"
    Alice in Chains "Rooster"
    Alice in Chains "Sea of Sorrow"
    Alice in Chains "Down in a Hole"
    Alice in Chains "Them Bone"
    Beastie Boys "Sure Shot"
    Beastie Boys "Sabotage"
    The Cult "Fire Woman"
    Everclear "Santa Monica"
    Filter "Hey Man, Nice Shot"
    Foo Fighters "Learn to Fly"
    Korn "Falling Away From Me"
    Red Hot Chili Peppers "Aeroplane"
    Red Hot Chili Peppers "Under the Bridge"
    Smashing Pumpkins "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"
    System of a Down "Chop Suey!"
    Skeeter Davis "End of the World"
    Rickey Nelson "Travelin' Man"
    Chi-Lites "Have You Seen Her"
    Animals "We Gotta Get Out of This Place"
    Fontella Bass "Rescue Me"
    Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels "Devil with the Blue Dress"
    James Taylor "Fire and Rain"
    Edwin Starr/Bruce Springstein "War"
    Lynyrd Skynyrd "Tuesday's Gone"
    Limp Bizkit "Break Stuff"
    Green Day "Brain Stew"
    Temple of the Dog "Say Hello to Heaven"
    Sugar Ray "Fly"
    Local H "Bound for the Floor"
    Slipknot "Left Behind, Wait and Bleed"
    Bush "Speed Kills"
    311 "Down"
    Stone Temple Pilots "Big Bang Baby," Dead and Bloated"
    Soundgarden "Fell on Black Days," Black Hole Sun"
    Nina "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons"


  • edited December 1969
    Re: James Taylor and John Lennon help bring on WWIII?!?

    Heya Vj,

    You have a link for that?

    Thanks

    Spit


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  • edited December 1969
    Re: James Taylor and John Lennon help bring on WWIII?!?

    Well actually I heard it offline this morning from a music business friend who said it was true. His company - Bill Graham Presents was bought by SFX which was recently bought by Clear Channel. He said that Pud at f'edCo.com was running it as well.
    I did make call to the CC office and it is indeed true, they referred me to the PR person handing the "whys" at 619-220-4231, but it has been busy. I hope thousands of people call in and request "Imagine".

    Heya Vj,

    You have a link for that?

    Thanks

    Spit

  • edited December 1969
    [b]link-more info[/b]

    evidently- "This was not a corporate mandate."
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/09/18/DD228327.DTL&type=music
  • edited December 1969
    Thanks! [nt]



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  • edited December 1969
    Have they Lost their COLLECTIVE FRIGGIN' MINDS??

    Now I have seen it all....What Friggin' morons....What are the going to do next??? I think they should ban all books that reference:

    war, aircraft,buildings, trade, centers, world, death, flying, terrorism, guns, knives, boxes, any ethinic origin of any kind, fire, smoke, police, fire departments, flags, music, attacks, people, families, friends, airlines....

    Hell, let's just ban any book, music, video or film, any type of verbal or written or visual communication that might reference the attacks on the U.S.

    I know...It is what I am over here in Saudi Defending right now...all the freedoms that the U.S. has had for the last 200+ years...But sometimes...

    Stupid People should not breed...it waters down the damn Gene Pool!
    :
    ::stepping off of my soapbox::
    :
    ::climbing back onto end of sharp-pointy spear type object::

    McGyver #CP#
    Warrior Brigade (Desert Division)

    In what can be described as "an attempt to help" -
    Clear Channel, owner of over 1,170 radio stations in the U.S.
    has a list of currently banned songs on their stations. Included
    are songs about war, the word "Tuesday", and even
    "Walk Like an Egyptian"

    Yeah banning John Lennon's song "Imagine" about Peace
    in the world makes a lot of sense. NOT!
    I'll be boycotting any Clear Channel owned station myself

    The list:

    Drowning Pool "Bodies"
    Mudvayne "Death Blooms"
    Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive"
    Megadeth "Sweating Bullets"
    Saliva "Click Click Boom"
    P.O.D. "Boom"
    Metallica "Seek and Destroy"
    Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow"
    Metallica "Enter Sandman"
    Metallica "Fade to Black"
    All Rage Against The Machine songs
    Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"
    Godsmack "Bad Religion"
    Tool "Intolerance"
    Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World"
    AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames"
    AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill"
    AC/DC "Dirty Deeds"
    AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
    AC/DC "Safe in New York City"
    AC/DC "TNT"
    AC/DC "Hell's Bells"
    Black Sabbath "War Pigs"
    Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
    Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution"
    Dio "Holy Diver"
    Steve Miller "Jet Airliner"
    Van Halen "Jump"
    Queen "Another One Bites the Dust"
    Queen "Killer Queen"
    Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot"
    Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield"
    Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party"
    REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It"
    Talking Heads "Burning Down the House"
    Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"
    Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell"
    Pink Floyd "Mother"
    Savage Garden "Crash and Burn"
    Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"
    Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
    Pretenders "My City Was Gone"
    Alanis Morissette "Ironic"
    Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time"
    Fuel "Bad Day"
    John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire"
    Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
    Kansas "Dust in the Wind"
    Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven"
    The Beatles "A Day in the Life"
    The Beatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
    The Beatles "Ticket To Ride"
    The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da"
    Bob Dylan/Guns N Roses "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
    Arthur Brown "Fire"
    Blue Oyster Cult "Burnin' For You"
    Paul McCartney and Wings "Live and Let Die"
    Jimmy Hendrix "Hey Joe"
    Jackson Brown "Doctor My Eyes"
    John Mellencamp "Crumbling Down"
    John Mellencamp "I'm On Fire"
    U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday"
    Boston "Smokin"
    Billy Joel "Only the Good Die Young"
    Barry McGuire "Eve of Destruction"
    Steam "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey"
    Drifters "On Broadway"
    Shelly Fabares "Johnny Angel"
    Los Bravos "Black is Black"
    Peter and Gordon "I Go To Pieces"
    Peter and Gordon "A World Without Love"
    Elvis "(You're the) Devil in Disguise"
    Zombies "She's Not There"
    Elton John "Benny & The Jets"
    Elton John "Daniel"
    Elton John "Rocket Man"
    Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire"
    Santana "Evil Ways"
    Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World"
    Youngbloods "Get Together"
    Ad Libs "The Boy from New York City"
    Peter Paul and Mary "Blowin' in the Wind"
    Peter Paul and Mary "Leavin' on a Jet Plane"
    Rolling Stones "Ruby Tuesday"
    Simon And Garfunkel "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
    Happenings "See You in Septemeber"
    Carole King "I Feel the Earth Move"
    Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525"
    Norman Greenbaum "Spirit in the Sky"
    Brooklyn Bridge "Worst That Could Happen"
    Three Degrees "When Will I See You Again"
    Cat Stevens "Peace Train"
    Cat Stevens "Morning Has Broken"
    Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve"
    Martha & the Vandellas "Nowhere to Run"
    Martha and the Vandellas/Van Halen "Dancing in the
    Streets"
    Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"
    San Cooke Herman Hermits, "Wonder World"
    Petula Clark "A Sign of the Times"
    Don McLean "American Pie"
    J. Frank Wilson "Last Kiss"
    Buddy Holly and the Crickets "That'll Be the Day"
    John Lennon "Imagine"
    Bobby Darin "Mack the Knife"
    The Clash "Rock the Casbah"
    Surfaris "Wipeout"
    Blood Sweat and Tears "And When I Die"
    Dave Clark Five "Bits and Pieces"
    Tramps "Disco Inferno"
    Paper Lace "The Night Chicago Died"
    Frank Sinatra "New York, New York"
    Creedence Clearwater Revival "Travelin' Band"
    The Gap Band "You Dropped a Bomb On Me"
    Alien Ant Farm "Smooth Criminal"
    3 Doors Down "Duck and Run"
    The Doors "The End"
    Third Eye Blind "Jumper"
    Neil Diamond "America"
    Lenny Kravitz "Fly Away"
    Tom Petty "Free Fallin'"
    Bruce Springsteen "I'm On Fire"
    Bruce Springsteen "Goin' Down"
    Phil Collins "In the Air Tonight"
    Alice in Chains "Rooster"
    Alice in Chains "Sea of Sorrow"
    Alice in Chains "Down in a Hole"
    Alice in Chains "Them Bone"
    Beastie Boys "Sure Shot"
    Beastie Boys "Sabotage"
    The Cult "Fire Woman"
    Everclear "Santa Monica"
    Filter "Hey Man, Nice Shot"
    Foo Fighters "Learn to Fly"
    Korn "Falling Away From Me"
    Red Hot Chili Peppers "Aeroplane"
    Red Hot Chili Peppers "Under the Bridge"
    Smashing Pumpkins "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"
    System of a Down "Chop Suey!"
    Skeeter Davis "End of the World"
    Rickey Nelson "Travelin' Man"
    Chi-Lites "Have You Seen Her"
    Animals "We Gotta Get Out of This Place"
    Fontella Bass "Rescue Me"
    Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels "Devil with the Blue
    Dress"
    James Taylor "Fire and Rain"
    Edwin Starr/Bruce Springstein "War"
    Lynyrd Skynyrd "Tuesday's Gone"
    Limp Bizkit "Break Stuff"
    Green Day "Brain Stew"
    Temple of the Dog "Say Hello to Heaven"
    Sugar Ray "Fly"
    Local H "Bound for the Floor"
    Slipknot "Left Behind, Wait and Bleed"
    Bush "Speed Kills"
    311 "Down"
    Stone Temple Pilots "Big Bang Baby," Dead and
    Bloated"
    Soundgarden "Fell on Black Days," Black Hole Sun"
    Nina "99 Luft Balloons/99 Red Balloons"

  • edited December 1969
    Let's breathe for a minute...

    Clear Channel is not requiring stations to stop playing any of these songs. They merely suggested that these songs might not be suitable for playing at the moment. I still can't figure out how they came up with their list, but let's not go off half-cocked about censorship and book-banning and what-have-you.
  • edited December 1969
    Can't wait...

    To see what Congress pushes through this session. So far we've been ordered to fly our flags and I heard yesterday that it's now illegal to do anything 'negative' with a flag (the whole flag-burning thing). With the specticle of war on the horizon, I bet a lot will slip under the media radar. Makes me wonder if we'll still be fighting for freedom sometimes...

    Ever negative,


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  • edited December 1969
    Re: Let's breathe for a minute...

    Clear Channel is not requiring stations to stop playing any of
    these songs. They merely suggested that these songs might not be
    suitable for playing at the moment. I still can't figure out how
    they came up with their list, but let's not go off half-cocked
    about censorship and book-banning and what-have-you.

    Sorry BR, that is sheer "spin" from the top of the corporate ladder.
    I'll believe my source in the company and not the press releases from clear channel to try to reign in the backlash.
    If your bosses "suggest" you do something, you do it, right?

    This is flat-out censorship.

    Have you been following the Rage Against the Machine issue? Where any song they have ever done is "suggested" to not be played on any of Clear Channel's stations, regardless of it's content....and where did that come from you ask?

    Well the Feds have swiftly shut down the bands message boards and relayed their concerns via the FCC to Clear Channel.

    Dance around in a circle and call it what you want, but it is censorship. I would hope this country continues it's freedoms in honoring those who have already paid the cost in this horrible, criminal tragedy.

    "ALL WE ARE SAYING...IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE!"

  • edited December 1969
    [b]Some followup on RATM[/b]

    (Not trying to get ahead of ya Ven)

    Just for anyone who wants to follow what Ven's talking about:

    http://www.ratm.net/forum/

    (This is where the Rage discussions have, for the most part, moved to now)

    http://pub79.ezboard.com/fthx1138ebnfrm18.showMessage?topicID=396.topic

    (Links explaining the shutdown and commentary)

    I think active, credible threats to assassinate government officials should result in the threatening party being tracked down and punished, especially now. However, you'd think shutting down the board would be the wrong way to go about such a thing, eh? It isn't clear to me how this does anything to dissuade these types of claims except drive them out from under the eyes of the watchdogs. I don't want to pick the 'is this censorship' fight, but these people clearly were not acting in a manner that the site administrator disapproved of when an outside group acted to shut them down.

    Ramses II
  • edited December 1969
    [b]Re: Let's breathe for a minute...[/b]

    [quote]
    Sorry BR, that is sheer "spin" from the top of the
    corporate ladder.

    [/quote]
    Really? Well, so far, all the reports I've seen have had the radio stations' program directors saying it won't affect their playlists very much if at all. Of course, the program directors are just lackeys of the corporate censors, so they'll say whatever they are told to say from Clear Channel Command Central, I'm sure, but until the actual playlists give hte lie to their comments, I am reserving judgment.

    Not to mention the fact that Clear Channel is not a government agency, but a private entity, and if it wanted to convert all its stations to an All-Pat-Boone-and-Perry-Como-All-The-Time format, it could, so even if this is a mandate and not a suggestion or request, it is well within Clear Channel's rights as the owner of those stations.

    [quote]
    If your bosses "suggest" you do something, you do it,
    right?

    [/quote]
    Sometimes. It depends on the suggestion, and the rationale. Let's wait and see which program directors get fired for not pulling all these songs before we make judgments, shall we?

    [quote]
    This is flat-out censorship.

    [/quote]
    See above. Censorship is practiced by governments, and is impermissible under our Constitution. Self-censorship is practiced by individuals and other non-governmental entities, and is perfectly within their rights.

    [quote]
    Have you been following the Rage Against the Machine issue?
    Where any song they have ever done is "suggested" to
    not be played on any of Clear Channel's stations, regardless of
    it's content....and where did that come from you ask?

    Well the Feds have swiftly shut down the bands message boards
    and relayed their concerns via the FCC to Clear Channel.

    [/quote]
    I looked at a couple of the links Ramses provided (though the forums that were yanked were at ratm.com, not ratm.net), and I can see why someone might have taken down the boards, but I don't see any connection between that and Clear Channel's listing of "All songs by Rage Against the Machine." If the Feds were dictating to Clear Channel to shut down this dangerous band, surely all the other companies that own radio stations and networks would have done the same thing, no?

    By the way, here's the official word on the RATM.com boards, straight from the site:
    The official RATM message board has been temporarily closed.

    We thank Infopop for their generosity during the past year. Unfortunately some news agencies have reported INCORRECTLY that Infopop pulled the hosting due to "anti-American posts" which is simply not true. Infopop pulled the message board due to arising difficulties they faced when governmental authorities contacted them regarding VIOLENT THREATS that appeared on the BBS. RATM nor Infopop would never support threats of violence, and we here at RATM.com fully understand and agree with Infopop's decision to release themselves from this huge liability of hosting the bbs.

    We are endeavoring to correct the situation and get your free exchange of information and ideas up and running as soon as possible.
    So, I repeat, let's take a deep breath or two and hold judgment until we know the facts.
  • edited December 1969
    Re: Can't wait...

    To see what Congress pushes through this session. So far we've
    been ordered to fly our flags and I heard yesterday that it's
    now illegal to do anything 'negative' with a flag (the whole
    flag-burning thing).

    Who has "ordered" you to fly a flag? And where did you hear that it is illegal to do anything negative with a flag? I've seen nothing in the media or the alternative press about it.
  • edited December 1969
  • edited December 1969
    [b]Re: Can't wait...[/b]

    [quote]
    Who has "ordered" you to fly a flag?

    [/quote]
    From http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/congress.terrorism/index.html :
    The House also passed a measure urging all Americans to fly the United States flag at home, work and in public places as a sign of national solidarity.
    But a campus paper had it written a bit differently (http://www.badgerherald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2001/09/18/3ba6a7d172e4b?in_archive=1 ):
    Accordingly, the House of Representatives passed a resolution Sept. 13 calling on all Americans to display the flag as the turmoil of last week's tragedy persists.

    Some houses and apartment buildings around campus now adorn the flag. Others always have. But now, in this time of national crisis, it is an order.
    After now reading the CNN account, maybe I over-interpreted it a bit.

    [quote]
    And where did you
    hear that it is illegal to do anything negative with a flag?
    I've seen nothing in the media or the alternative press about
    it.

    [/quote]
    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14924

    via slashdot today. Perhaps it's just speculation... But I'm sure I read that from another source earlier this week. I can't track that one down again though... Maybe I should just stop reading stuff :/

    [img]http://www.clanplaid.net/~charon/charon.gif[/img]
  • edited December 1969
    Source? [nt]


  • edited December 1969
    Nevermind....

    I don't really care.

    I just get tired of you demanding "sources' for anything ever posted on any board. :)

    N8
  • edited December 1969
    Nevermind my previous "Neverminds"

    Its your right to ask for sources.

    How else would you know what to believe?

    N8
  • edited December 1969
    Nate, your confusing me!!! 8-) [nt]


  • edited December 1969
    [b]Re: Can't wait...[/b]

    [quote]
    From
    http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/congress.terrorism/index.html
    :

    The House also passed a measure urging all Americans to fly the
    United States flag at home, work and in public places as a sign
    of national solidarity. But a campus paper had it written a bit
    differently
    (http://www.badgerherald.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2001/09/18/3ba6a7d172e4b?in_archive=1
    ):

    Accordingly, the House of Representatives passed a resolution
    Sept. 13 calling on all Americans to display the flag as the
    turmoil of last week's tragedy persists.

    Some houses and apartment buildings around campus now adorn the
    flag. Others always have. But now, in this time of national
    crisis, it is an order. After now reading the CNN account,
    maybe I over-interpreted it a bit.

    [/quote]
    I found it yesterday at the Senate website. The title says "calling on" and the text says "encouraged," and it's a House Congressional Resolution, which has no effect as a law. It's mostly a way of the House and Senate showing solidarity and trying to get the rest of us to feel the same way.

    [quote]
    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14924
    via slashdot today. Perhaps it's just speculation... But I'm
    sure I read that from another source earlier this week. I can't
    track that one down again though... Maybe I should just stop
    reading stuff :/

    [/quote]
    Nah... just read a little more closely. The Flag Desecration Amendment mentioned in the Freedom Forum piece has been around for a while, without much chance of going anywhere. The FF points out, correctly, that in the wake of the WTC attacks, the possibility of it getting through the Congress and out to the states for ratification has gone up, and we have to be vigilant against that. But so far, there is no law against burning the flag, and in fact, such a law would be unconstitutional. (Hence the need for an amendment, which I believe would be the first amendment in history to eliminate a protection in the Bill of Rights. Eeuurrgh!)
  • edited December 1969
    Dagnabbit...

    That should say:

    I found it yesterday at the Senate website . The title says
    "calling on" and the text says "encouraged,"
    and it's a House Congressional Resolution, which has no effect
    as a law. It's mostly a way of the House and Senate showing
    solidarity and trying to get the rest of us to feel the same
    way.

    Odd, it shows up on the quoted message, but in the original, it's blank (though there is a link there). Must be a bit of weirdness with the link.
  • edited December 1969
    That's "you're" of course... [nt]


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