Anybody have any opinions/info on this game, which is just out
for the Mac? Fun, not fun, good, stupid, absorbing, boring? What
style of gamer is it best suited to?
I was wondering the same thing as BR. Thanks for your post. I
think Carch and Cauldyth used to talk about it on CPHL, so I
think I'll be buying it.
What about multiplayer... is there any, if so, is it any fun?
How good is the AI generally? Is there much diplomacy, and if
so, is the diplomacy AI strong? And if there is diplomacy, is it
set up so you have several options for action/response, or is it
I'd still like answers to these questions if anyone has them:
Muff, if you buy it and want to try MP over the net, let me know.
I'm wondering about diplomacy, too. I have yet to see a game
that really implements a believable diplomatic AI for a
computer. Civ 3 was pretty lousy. Moo3 was a total travesty.
Will do... not sure how soon I will buy it, my thesis is coming
along verrry slooowly.
Well Safari just ate my post so I will just post the link to the
Ultimate Bug Collection from the moo3 forums. Suffice it to
say that "taking one's time" is largely irrelevant,
because the damn thing is fundamentally broken. Most have been
addressed in the code patch, but who knows when or if it will
Give me a hint as to which of the "Ultimate Bugs"
you're talking about?
I don't understand your reference to
"taking one's time."
Note that the LIST is ultimate, not the bugs -- I guess a
problem with English.
However, if you're wondering about major
bugs, there are many, many, many. Where to begin, where to
-Cannot pick which planet to attack in a system
Quote "I prefer to play SP for a while with a new game
anyway. Take your time."
I believe all of the ones you listed are identified as addressed
in the patch. From what I understand (and only because I read
the forum board where the QSI guy reports on it), they are now
down to fixing minor bugs generated by the patch, so it should
be fairly close to release.
Yes you can -- at the bottom of the Combat Scheduler is a button
for "Show System View" or some such. If you select
that, you get the diagonal planet map, with one planet selected
(turning circle around it). Click a different planet, go back to
Combat Scheduler, and your attack goes against the selected
Ah. My "take your time" was about EU2, not Moo3, so
that's why your reference to the Moo3 being "fundamentally
unplayable" was confusing to me.
I just picked it up, and am about to try it out. I'll let you
know what I think.
Yeah, the tutorial is a joke. I should have mentioned this
before, sorry about that.
I'll get my revenge... some day... ::shakes fist::
Definately give some of the smaller campaigns a run through
before you tackle the Grand Campaign. The Age of Exploration
campaign is probably the best place to start. The countries are
all pretty solid by then, so you should start with a decent
military, and a stable economy rather than having to build it
from the ground up. I'd take either Spain or Portugal for
Check out this page
(http://www.chema-cagi.com/eu2/Beginners_EU2.htm), it's a pretty
good beginner's guide. He also has several other FAQs on his
main site (http://www.chema-cagi.com/Europa_Universalis.html)
Also check out this chart
has info on the different levels of land and navel tech, what
each diplo option is and what the effects are, and a lot of good
How does EU play in OS X? Can you hide it when it's running, or
somehow change contexts?
One thing I really don't like about moo3 (amongst others!) is
that you can't suspend the app... either you are playing it, or
it is not running.
Ok, I've kept my yap shut long enough
If EU2 is anything like EU, it's obscenely complex, with a
byzantine interface and no helpful help. I tried to like EU, I
really did -- the concept was very appealing to me. It's just
that I spent so much time trying to figure out what I was doing,
or how to do something, it sucked all the fun out of the game
I ended up hating EU. A lot. YMMV.
Now why didn't you speak up sooner?
Well, I played more last night, and I think I'm sort of getting
the hang of it. Still, there seems to be an awful lot going on
that I can't keep up with, let alone figure out how to react.
I saw a Mission to get a royal marriage with Hungary, so I did so
pretty easily -- but why? Sure, I got VP for it, but as an
exploring Spain, I have so little contact with that part of
Europe that it just seemed completely irrelevant. Meanwhile, I'm
trying to establish trading posts or colonies in the New World,
and having no success, while Portugal seems to have no trouble
On the other hand, I seem to be quite a mercantile power. Now I
just have to figure out what the hell I should be doing about
the rest of the world. (And what can I do with a conquered
vassal other than collect cash from it?)
Well, I seem to be enjoying it, at least, even though it's
Royal Marriages are purely to build relations. If you have a
Royal Marriage, you can almost certainly get an alliance as
well. As Spain, an alliance with Hungary isn't going to do you a
lot of good up front, but there are definate benefits. For
example, Venice and the other nations around Italy (who end up
being big naval powers in the Med, so you'll probably clash with
them at some point) would be a lot less likely to mess with you,
since doing so would also mean war with Hungary, who can make
quick work of them on land. Also, if the King of Hungary dies
with no direct heir, you can make a claim to the throne. That
doesn't happen much though.
Other than compete with them economicaly, you don't do much with
countries you don't border.
Aside for being a good source of income (with no direct costs
involved), a conquered vassal doesn't do a ton for you. They're
a perminant alliance, so if you go to war, so do they. But they
wouldn't be a vassal in the first place if they were a military
Don't suppose I could poison the old coot, huh?
Speaking of which, is there any good way to protect merchants in
a CoT? I can get up to 6 (monopoly) in Veneto, but it never
lasts very long. Is there any way to increase their longevity?
True. In fact, my one vassal is Granada, which became a vassal
due to being at war with me at the beginning of the game. They
hate me, and I don't like them much, which means annexation is
not going to be in the cards for a long, long time, if ever. (Of
course, they are not good Catholics like we Spaniards. 8-)