Anybody have any opinions/info on this game, which is just outfor the Mac? Fun, not fun, good, stupid, absorbing, boring? Whatstyle of gamer is it best suited to?
I was wondering the same thing as BR. Thanks for your post. Ithink Carch and Cauldyth used to talk about it on CPHL, so Ithink I'll be buying it.
What about multiplayer... is there any, if so, is it any fun?
How good is the AI generally? Is there much diplomacy, and ifso, is the diplomacy AI strong? And if there is diplomacy, is itset up so you have several options for action/response, or is itlimiting?
I'd still like answers to these questions if anyone has them:
Muff, if you buy it and want to try MP over the net, let me know.
I'm wondering about diplomacy, too. I have yet to see a gamethat really implements a believable diplomatic AI for acomputer. Civ 3 was pretty lousy. Moo3 was a total travesty.
Will do... not sure how soon I will buy it, my thesis is comingalong verrry slooowly.
Well Safari just ate my post so I will just post the link to theUltimate Bug Collection from the moo3 forums. Suffice it tosay that "taking one's time" is largely irrelevant,because the damn thing is fundamentally broken. Most have beenaddressed in the code patch, but who knows when or if it willcome out.
Give me a hint as to which of the "Ultimate Bugs"you're talking about?
I don't understand your reference to"taking one's time."
Note that the LIST is ultimate, not the bugs -- I guess aproblem with English.
However, if you're wondering about majorbugs, there are many, many, many. Where to begin, where tobegin.
-Cannot pick which planet to attack in a system
Quote "I prefer to play SP for a while with a new gameanyway. Take your time."
I believe all of the ones you listed are identified as addressedin the patch. From what I understand (and only because I readthe forum board where the QSI guy reports on it), they are nowdown to fixing minor bugs generated by the patch, so it shouldbe fairly close to release.
Yes you can -- at the bottom of the Combat Scheduler is a buttonfor "Show System View" or some such. If you selectthat, you get the diagonal planet map, with one planet selected(turning circle around it). Click a different planet, go back toCombat Scheduler, and your attack goes against the selectedplanet.
Ah. My "take your time" was about EU2, not Moo3, sothat's why your reference to the Moo3 being "fundamentallyunplayable" was confusing to me.
I just picked it up, and am about to try it out. I'll let youknow what I think.
Yeah, the tutorial is a joke. I should have mentioned thisbefore, sorry about that.I'll get my revenge... some day... ::shakes fist::Definately give some of the smaller campaigns a run throughbefore you tackle the Grand Campaign. The Age of Explorationcampaign is probably the best place to start. The countries areall pretty solid by then, so you should start with a decentmilitary, and a stable economy rather than having to build itfrom the ground up. I'd take either Spain or Portugal forstarters.
Check out this page(http://www.chema-cagi.com/eu2/Beginners_EU2.htm), it's a prettygood beginner's guide. He also has several other FAQs on hismain site (http://www.chema-cagi.com/Europa_Universalis.html)
Also check out this chart(http://www.mydocsonline.com/pub/hexagonia/poster1_4.ZIP), ithas info on the different levels of land and navel tech, whateach diplo option is and what the effects are, and a lot of goodtips.
How does EU play in OS X? Can you hide it when it's running, orsomehow change contexts?One thing I really don't like about moo3 (amongst others!) isthat you can't suspend the app... either you are playing it, orit is not running.
Ok, I've kept my yap shut long enough :)If EU2 is anything like EU, it's obscenely complex, with abyzantine interface and no helpful help. I tried to like EU, Ireally did -- the concept was very appealing to me. It's justthat I spent so much time trying to figure out what I was doing,or how to do something, it sucked all the fun out of the gamefor me.I ended up hating EU. A lot. YMMV.
Now why didn't you speak up sooner?
Well, I played more last night, and I think I'm sort of gettingthe hang of it. Still, there seems to be an awful lot going onthat I can't keep up with, let alone figure out how to react.
I saw a Mission to get a royal marriage with Hungary, so I did sopretty easily -- but why? Sure, I got VP for it, but as anexploring Spain, I have so little contact with that part ofEurope that it just seemed completely irrelevant. Meanwhile, I'mtrying to establish trading posts or colonies in the New World,and having no success, while Portugal seems to have no troubleat all.
On the other hand, I seem to be quite a mercantile power. Now Ijust have to figure out what the hell I should be doing aboutthe rest of the world. (And what can I do with a conqueredvassal other than collect cash from it?)
Well, I seem to be enjoying it, at least, even though it'sconfusing.
Royal Marriages are purely to build relations. If you have aRoyal Marriage, you can almost certainly get an alliance aswell. As Spain, an alliance with Hungary isn't going to do you alot of good up front, but there are definate benefits. Forexample, Venice and the other nations around Italy (who end upbeing big naval powers in the Med, so you'll probably clash withthem at some point) would be a lot less likely to mess with you,since doing so would also mean war with Hungary, who can makequick work of them on land. Also, if the King of Hungary dieswith no direct heir, you can make a claim to the throne. Thatdoesn't happen much though.
Other than compete with them economicaly, you don't do much withcountries you don't border.
Aside for being a good source of income (with no direct costsinvolved), a conquered vassal doesn't do a ton for you. They'rea perminant alliance, so if you go to war, so do they. But theywouldn't be a vassal in the first place if they were a militarypowerhouse :)
Don't suppose I could poison the old coot, huh?
Speaking of which, is there any good way to protect merchants ina CoT? I can get up to 6 (monopoly) in Veneto, but it neverlasts very long. Is there any way to increase their longevity?
True. In fact, my one vassal is Granada, which became a vassaldue to being at war with me at the beginning of the game. Theyhate me, and I don't like them much, which means annexation isnot going to be in the cards for a long, long time, if ever. (Ofcourse, they are not good Catholics like we Spaniards. 8-)